Monday, September 7, 2020

Back on The Bra-dyssey! Catching up, New Parameters, and Sewing Hell

 If you followed this blog years, ago, you may have thought it was dead and are surprised to see a new post.  I know I am, I had pretty well given up.  Bras are hard, and I settled for the best fit I could afford.

But we're back because I need new bras, they're fucking expensive, and I now have an added challenge due to a unique dress code at my current job.  Weight's been put on, weight's come off, and ladies, I am well and truly screwed in the over the shoulder boulder holder department.

My current job has a metal free dress code, which means that none of my clothing can have any metal on it.  None.  Not a bit.  And I'm sure some of you are thinking, oh, man, no underwires at your size?  Sux 2 B U.  But no, it's not just no metal underwires, it's no metal at all, which means not only no metal underwires, but no metal findings on the straps, and crucially, no metal hooks and eyes in the back.  Surely, you ask, that's not enough to set off the metal detector?  It totally is.  I set it off all the time before this dress code went into effect, and they cranked up the sensitivity since then.  At the time, I had put on some weight, and was able to find exactly one bra that met this excruciating parameter and actually fit at Lynx Sportswear, and I do recommend it if you're a busty gal looking for a sports bra (maybe I'll do a review at some point if I get to it).  However, I have lost some weight since finding that little gem, that if I order the same size the band will be too big.  Unfortunately, I have either pissed off a god somewhere or earned their favor in an extremely uncomfortable way, because I lost zero pounds off the girls, meaning that if I drop down a size, there will not be enough room in the cup. 

This was literally the only bra I found that was metal free that even remotely fit me.  Currently, I've done some creative alterations to make my old and depressingly worn out ones fit a little better so they aren't hurting my shoulders, but clearly, I'm going to have to take matters into my own hands.

For years now, I have wanted to make my own bras, if only cause they're so damned expensive at my size.  But trying to draft a pattern has been a bloody nightmare due to the geometry of the cup.  My current measurements are 35in rib cage with a 48.5in bust (don't be thinking that's an hourglass, my underbust is just the narrowest point of my torso).  That is a lot of boob to try and contain.  

And so I finally bit the bullet and ordered materials and a pattern.

Now, if you're going to be making bras, the absolute best place hands down to get your patterns and bits at is Bra-makers Supply.  Bra-makers Supply was founded by the woman who actually drafted many of the bra patterns you'll find on the market today, Beverly Johnson.  She's taught classes for years and still does, (including online ones), and has even written a vast two volume manual on the topic.  Woman knows her shit, and I salute her for her work, because holy fuck, making bras is enough to drive you absolutely batshit insane and she's made her business and life's work out of it.  Thank you, fairy Bra Mother!!!

I sent an email to them (her business has expanded enough to need a bit of a crew) and inquired as to if they had any patterns that would likely fit.  I hadn't done the math to figure the cup size, so I asked if they had anything that would fit a 38HH, as that's about what my most recent bras were, give or take.  The patterns do not use UK cup sizing, and have in fact recently changed to a unique system designed by Johnson herself, which I at least like the principle of, so I had no idea how that would translate to boobs.  They recommended the Ingrid pattern as it has the widest size range and is designed to not need an underwire, so I went ahead and ordered that as well as a fabric and findings kit.  

Now, I'd like to take a moment to talk about the innovative sizing system Johnson has come up.  I fucking love it, because it makes a hell of a lot more sense.  Instead of taking all the measurements and doing all the math, her patterns currently use the Bottom Cup Depth measurement to determine size.  As described on the site, if you put on your best fitting bra, this measurement is from the lowest point of the underwire to the apex of your breast.  It does have the down side of requiring a bra to be worn, but honestly, I did it both with and without one and still got the same measurement, so your mileage may vary.  I really like this though, as it's a direct measurement and more relevant.  It may need a bit more refining, but it's still better than the current "subtract and the difference is your cup size" system, which really falls apart after about D.

I measured and got 5.5 inches for my bottom cup depth, which really surprised me because I expected bigger.  But remeasuring didn't change it so that's what I went with.  One of the really nice things about making your own bra is that if your rib cage is between sizes you can custom fit it, and I gotta say, making a 35 inch band just made my day.

This was without a doubt the easiest part of this entire fiasco.


So I got my pieces cut out, which would make my mother cringe, but you can't fit a bra until it's been made.  Like, a dress or shorts, sure, you can do a paper mock up, but where a bra uses elastic and whatnot, it won't have the same give.  So you just gotta sew and pray.

And really, really, pray.

I'm going to be brutally honest with you guys here.  I kinda suck at sewing.  I'm not very experienced and I have needed a seam ripper on almost everything I've made, at least the first time.  I currently have a simple knit dress I'm working on that I drafted a pattern for from an existing garment, but I fucked that up, too.  But hey, I can figure things out, right?  I'm smart, I can do this.

Ladies and other bra needing people, do not attempt this if you are not an experienced seamstress/tailor/garment sewing person. You specifically need garment experience, quilting is not going to cut it.

My garment making experience going into this consisted of a skirt.

It was wholly insufficient.

There was so much swearing, seam ripping and not a little crying.  At one point I took a break and made a pair of shorts to boost my confidence, and also sewed together that dress I mentioned earlier, which is how I know I fucked up the draft (the neckline is too big/low, I'mma add trim, it'll be fine).
I have never made a garment more complicated than a skirt (that did have a zipper tho), and I made fucking pants and a dress to build my confidence back up from this fucking sideshow horror.

I completely understand bra burning now, and I am down for one. 

I also understand why bespoke bras are so dang expensive, the people who make those probably aren't charging enough.

So over the course of several weeks, I assembled this bra.  There are a number of things I don't much care for about the pattern and directions.  I won't lie, if it wasn't for the fact that I knew this pattern had a cup size large enough fit me, I would never have bought it.  This is not at all the style I like, and, if you clicked that link up there, you'll notice the cup construction has a triangular top piece.  This is a very British cup design and one that invariably doesn't work for my breasts, as it puts a downward slope on the top and mine are, well, round and full all over.  I also absolutely loathe having all that coverage across my cleavage, it's begging for extra boob sweat, even if it is made of power mesh.  But I figure, we'll get it put together, see how it fits, and then kinda figure from there if the other patterns might work.  The most important thing with this bra was figuring out how the heck to build one.  Which I did.  Emphasis on figure out, because there were a few times the instructions were not as clear as the could have been. The top band elastic and attaching the adjustable half of the straps was especially confusing, and I have may crumpled up the directions and thrown them downstairs trying to attach the latter.  I don't care for how the pattern directions finish the seams and what not--there's a lot of press and topstitch, which I would rather die than do, and there are zero directions for how to work out a lining.  I think for future bras, I will either just figure out a lining, or, more likely, do what the ready to wear ones I have do, and put a bit of fabric tape over the inside seams to clean it up.  The seam allowances are also hella tiny on bras at only 1/4".  TBH, I'm not even sure where that is on my machine, as best I could measure it seemed to be the edge of my presser foot.  I would've also liked to have seen more details about which stitch to use for everything.  Basically, most of my complaints would've been non issues for someone who knew what the heck they were doing.  I mean, we have a pattern here graded to make up to 200 different sizes, if that's all that's lacking we are totally winning.

The biggest problem I had, and this was the part that made me scream and throw things, was that the findings kit and pattern included and called for a 3x3 hook and eye closure, but the back band was sized for at least a 4x3 closure.  This made attaching the strap elastic incredibly challenging, as I had to attach it low enough to be able to encase the back band in the closure pieces and basically ignore the acutal edge of the fabric, which was curved.  This was compounded by the fact that there was zero info about how long to cut said strap elastic--the only length mentioned for that component was .5m, and that was in the materials list, which covers all the sizes.  The elastic included in the kit was actually longer than .5m, so I just cut two 25cm lengths and called it day.  However, doing this left me with not a whole lot of room to attach it.  Measure once, cut twice, eh?

In purple, the hardest and most opaque portion of construction.

Once I got it finished and finished crying after banging my knee on my sewing table (trick knee, the trick is that bumping it hurts so much you can't stand on it for a couple minutes), I put it the accursed bra on to check for fit.  The first thing I noticed was the band, which was absolutely amazing and fit perfectly.  Never have I had a band fit so well, mostly because they're all too big or too small because I have consistently been between sizes.  The next thing I noticed was the straps.  Normally I do not at all care for a padded strap, but these were actually comfy.  Might keep that on a later one. 

Seriously, tho, some folks may like this style, but I would literally never buy a bra like this unless it was the ONLY one that fit.  Not at all my cup of tea.


Modeled by Eliza, my dress dummy, who is padded out a bit to be closer to my dimensions, although I really need to update her.

Please for the love of all that is holy, do not look at any of those seams, they are atrocious.  I don't know wtf is going on with my zigzag stitch, if it's a feed issue on my part or the machine's or what.  It's a new machine, but it was refurbished, maybe that's what it got sent back for?

 

But then I looked in the mirror.  The 5.5 BCD cups, which I measured for at least three different times, were waaay too small. Now, maybe I fucked up and didn't get the seam allowance small enough, but honestly, even if I did, they were still a good 3 cups sizes too small.  I mean, my nips are at the apex of my boobs (not trying to brag, but the girls are pretty perfectly proportioned, unlike the rest of me), so there were not a lot of ways to mess it up.  I think it would be helpful to somehow add a breast width or something to the sizing method, though lord only  knows how you'd do it.  Maybe go from the side, like from the ribcage on the side of the breast to the apex?  Checking that gives me like an 8ish BCD which sounds much more accurate.  Damn, I ordered a new pattern, too (that does not go up that high).  Guess I'll be learning about grading on the next one.  Good thing I ordered the manual. 

I am going to cry. So. Much.

All else aside, tho, this was a really good learning experience, and while I would've done better to get the manual with the first order or even take one of Johnson's craftsy classes, I think it still worked out decently, even if it totally doesn't fit and the seams are all hideous messes.  Many important lessons were learned here, such as seam ripping on elastic is a horrible idea.  I'm going to take a break for the next one (get that dress done, maybe make another pair of cozy shorts), but I've got the manual and the Shelly pattern coming in this week.  Grading that up will suck, but that one is much closer to the style that usually fits me, and I think it'll be less painful.

Thursday, June 20, 2013

Curvy Kate Tease Me Bra

So, in my quest for new bras that fit, I decided to give Curvy Kate a second try.  Their basic bra had been close the first time I tried one, and they do offer a couple of sexier/more colorful styles.  In my quest to try a variety, I also had to try out another store, since Bravissimo's selection of Curvy Kate bras was kind of lacking.  This go round I ordered from figleaves, another UK site.  Figleaves has both a US and a UK site (which is kinda nice), and they have a shipping center stateside for returns, so you don't have to pay international shipping for returns.  Also worth noting is the fact that you can order from either site--I strongly recommend ordering from the UK site, especially if you're ordering multiple items--the price difference will more than cover your shipping and foreign transaction fees (A bra that runs $70 on the US site will run around $45 on the UK site, once you convert currencies).
Both figleaves and Bravissimo seem to be pretty good about returns--my Bravissimo return went well, and while I did exchange one of the bras I ordered from figleaves, their returns system is pretty standard as well.


Curvy Kate Tease Me Bra


I tried this one on in a 30H and a 28HH in purple and red respectively.  I thought it was pretty cute, and wasn't disappointed.  While it is a padded bra, the padding isn't insanely thick and it seemed fairly well constructed.  This style apparently runs a bit large in the band--I found the 28HH fit significantly better.

But.... (There's always a but, isn't there?)

One of the complaints I'd seen from other bloggers about this one was that it gave a "cakes on a platter" sort of look.  Most of the photos I'd seen looked fine, and I had chalked that up to the general taste for excessive lift that many large breasted girls seem to have (usually the phrase you hear is, "I don't want my boobs under my chin."  Personally, I'd rather have them under my chin than at my waist, but that's another story).  And then I tried it on--I have worn corsets that didn't serve my breasts up like that.  Cakes on a platter is an accurate description, with minimal hyperbole.  While supported, the girls did not feel at all secure, and I'm fairly sure excessive motion on my part would have launched them into space.  I also found the straps to be uncomfortably far apart (and keep in mind, I prefer wide set straps).  Instead of coming up off my boob, the straps came up across my armpits, which was neither comfortable or secure.


PROS:
--wide size selection (once you pass GG the pickings tend to get slim)
--colorful and sexy
--supportive

CONS:
--expensive (not so bad at 30 GBP, but insane at 70 USD)
--insecure
--overly wide set straps
--bands run large

Monday, June 3, 2013

Jockey's "Revolutionary" New Sizing--Hope or Hoax?

Some of you may have heard about Jockey in the news recently.  If you haven't, here's a decent article detailing their "revolutionary" new approach to bras.  For those of you too lazy to click on the link, I will elaborate.

Jockey looked at how women's bras are sized and said, "This makes no sense.  We can do better."  So, they put up some cash, and did some research and came up with...drumroll please...volumetric sizing.  The way this works is you order one of their fit kits, which comes with 10 plastic boob forms, a measuring tape, instructions, and a lingerie bag.  You then measure for your band as normal (under the breasts, tightly) and find which boob form fits you best.  Whatever the number of that boob form is, that's your cup size.  So, you wind up with sizes like 5-32 and 9-40 and whatnot.  You then have your choice of five--count 'em, five--different bras in the sparkling color palette of white, nude, and black.

Now, at this point, I'd like to refer you over to fellow blogger Charla Welch, who kindly ponied up the $20 and ordered the fit kit.  She has an excellent review of the actual kit, so I'm going to save my time (and money), and look at the sizing system itself.

First off, I'm rather reluctant to trust my boobs to a company known for making men's underwear.  I mean, I think they've made some sports bras, but let's face it, they don't call them jockey shorts because jockeys wear them.  I'm pretty confident that Jockey has my hubby's back, but I have my doubts when it comes to the girls.  That aside, I would like to applaud them for attempting to try something different.  Bra sizing is completely insane, and anyone willing to tackle that challenge earns my respect.  That said, this is a gimmick.

Yeah, you heard me.  A gimmick.

The first--and most obvious--problem here is that Jockey offers absolutely no conversion scale to traditional sizing.  While I understand that the idea is to breakaway from traditional sizing, there is no way that five styles of bra are going to fit all women.  No way.  So, if you order the kit (which does come with a $20 coupon and supposedly is refundable), and find your new size, but none of their bras fit right, you're kind of screwed.  I mean, you know that you're now a 6-30, but what's that translate to in normal sizes?  Sure, you'd love to stick with Jockey, but if the bras don't fit right, they don't fit.  Also, if you're a specialty size normally (i.e. very small or very large), how do you know any of those plastic cups are going to fit you at all?  I mean, seriously, I'm currently trying on H and HH cups (and they're fitting).  I'm pretty sure those cups aren't going to be big enough.

Secondly, Jockey's whole idea with "volumetric sizing" is that women's breasts are shaped differently (which is true), so how can we accurately gauge their size with one horizontal measurement?  This is absolutely correct.  There are about eleventy billion differences in breast shape, size, fullness, width, and all those other factors that make bras nearly impossible to find.  That said, I encourage you to look at this image of several of the fit cups that is on Jockey's website.

Really look.

There is no difference in the shape here.  It's the exact same shape, only scaled up or down.

What the hell, Jockey?

And don't even get me started on the price.  You have to pay to find out what your size in their brand is?  I don't care if you give me credit towards my purchase, that's insulting.  And, frankly, if I'm going to pay $60 for a bra, I want a sexy pretty bra, not an ugly sports bra (admittedly, most of my bras are in the $60 range, but some people have more options).

My next argument is really more of a suspicion.  What if the reason they don't have a conversion chart is because they're using the same cup sizes and just calling them something different?

I'll admit, part of my suspicion here comes from that fellow blogger I pointed you towards.  She noticed that the cup number was the same as the difference between her bust and band measurements.  While this could very well be coincidence, that would be a very convenient (and more logical way of sizing.  However, that would also mean that there's no real difference in how the bras are sized.  You can call a tomato a pear, but it's still a tomato.  And, let's be honest here, they haven't done anything innovative with the band here--the only difference is they're not adding inches like half the fitters/manufacturers do.  If they really have just changed what they're calling the cup sizes, it's not much more than vanity sizing--now if a woman doesn't want to believe she's a DD, she doesn't have to.  She could be a five instead.

I also question exactly how they're managing the grading for these things.  You see, one of the many difficulties in manufacturing bras is the sheer number of different products.  This is a great article that explains the difficulties inherent in bra making, and there's a great section on grading about a third of the way down.  In a nutshell, bra grading is how manufacturers minimize the number of different parts they have to use to make the widest selection of bras.  If you've heard talk of sister sizes (like how the cup is the same size in a 34A, 36B, and 38C), this is exactly what makes that work.  The caveat is that your band size affects your cup size. Have they really managed to just plug the cups into different bands?  I mean, theoretically that could work, but there are so many factors to take into consideration.

Finally, I'd like to point out that they haven't changed anything about band sizing.  Admittedly, the band sizing is less broken than cup sizing, but there are still a few problems--like the fact that bands only come in even sizes.  Or the fact that bands only go down to a 30 (I think if 26 and 28 were widely available, we'd all be amazed at how many women would fit into those bras).

I think Jockey's really bold for trying something new with bra sizing, and, if nothing else, they are carrying the widest selection of sizes of any American manufacturer.  But this isn't enough.  The bra is an insanely complicated garment (seriously, read that article about bra making, it will open your eyes), and there's no way we can boil that many curves down to just a couple of numbers.  Having looked at what it takes to make the damn things, once you take into consideration the sheer number of variables that make up a pair of breasts, as long as we stick with off the shelf bras, we are going to have fitting problems.  Ultimately, I think our solution is going to lie with materials--what we really need is something like Marty's jacket in Back To The Future II, where you push a button, and it automatically adjusts to fit you properly.

This is what the future of lingerie looks like.

Maybe the real solution is to take bras out of the realm of fashion and recruit some engineers.  I bet they'd be more supportive, at least.

Either way, thanks for trying, Jockey, but I think I'm going to stick with traditional sizing until we find something that actually fixes the problem.

Bra Reviews! Bravissimo Satine

The last bra from this batch was Bravissimo's Satine, also in a 30H (UK).

Ooo, shiny.

I initially really liked this one--it's pretty and satiny, and available in four colors--black, white, red, and navy.  I ordered the red one (of course), and, of the this batch it definitely fit the best.  The little button in the middle was also a really cute touch.  Best of all, it's lightly padded for nipple coverage.

Unfortunately, just as I was all set to clip the tags and say, I'm keeping this one, I noticed something really weird.  Like, more weird than the flattened quadraboob torpedo thing the other ones did.   I'm almost not entirely sure how to describe it, but I'm going to try.  I was looking in the mirror and noticed an odd fold towards the bottom on my boob.  I did the necessary gymnastics to get a better look at what was going on down there.  Somehow, my breast was filling out the entire cup, but there was like this fat fold in the cup that doesn't exist in my boobs.  And the cup was full, so it wasn't just a fold in the cloth--the bra literally created a fat fold where one doesn't exist, either on me or in the bra on its own.  I feel confident saying that it was, without a doubt, the strangest fitting problem I have EVER experienced with a bra.  It also made me really sad, because I thought I'd found something that would work.  

Pros:
--affordable
--available in multiple colors
--lightly padded
--flattering cut
--relatively true to size

Cons:
--possibly not designed for human breasts




Bra Reviews! Bravissimo Betsy Bow

Our next review will be a little on the short side, since our next bra fit pretty much the same as the  Alana.  The Betsy Bow bra is another one in an adorable print (which, seriously, how often do we get those in this size range?), and I also ordered it in a 30H (UK).

 
Awwww!

I had that same disappointed feel I had with the last two regarding the fabric--much cheaper than I expected.  Bravissimo clearly has some excellent photographers, because the products look sooo much better in the pictures than in real life.  It had that same annoyingly bizarre fit, so at least the brand is consistent.  I did like the purple accent bows, but, like the last two, it was also unlined (perhaps Bravissimo should work on their descriptions a little bit?).  Overall, disappointing.

Pros:
--affordable
--wide and cheerful color selection (lime green and bright pink, among other colors)

Cons:
--bizarre cup shape
--band runs a little big (a 28 would probably give me sufficient support, but I don't like it enough to try)
--sleazy fabric
minimizes (might be a pro for some)
unlined (might be a pro for some)

Friday, May 31, 2013

Bra Review! Freya Hello Dolly

So, the next bra I tried on in this last batch was Freya's Hello Dolly, which, with it's little bubushkas printed all over it, is absolutely adorable.  I tried it on in a 30H (UK).

 
Hello Dolly! Now with more Russian dolls and less show tunes.

Unfortunately, I found that the fabric itself is not nearly as nice as it looks in the picture--in the photo it looks vaguely cottonish, but it was the same kinda nasty polyester that the Alana was made from.  Still, the print is adorable, even if the fabric wasn't super nice.  It was also unlined (strike two), and, after trying it on, I'm pretty sure that Freya manufactures Bravissimo's house brand.  It fit very much like the Alana, with too much weight going on the shoulders and that same bizarre shape.  Like the other one, it somehow lifted the girls up and in and pushing them down and out at the same time.  I also had a little overspill on the top--not a whole lot, but just enough to be noticeable, especially with the weird profile shape.  Apart from the shape, the cup did fit fairly well, but I would probably need to drop a band size for adequate support.  (seriously, what is up with my body?)


Pros:
--adorable!  If it had been supportive I would have kept it, in spite of the shape.
--average priced (if ordered from a British supplier--I've noticed there tends to be about a $15 difference between domestic pricing and British, which about covers shipping.  Something to keep in mind if you're ordering several at a time.)


Cons:
--bizarre cup shape
--band runs a little big (a 28 would probably give me sufficient support, but I don't like it enough to try)
--sleazy fabric
minimizes (might be a pro for some)
unlined (might be a pro for some)

Tuesday, May 28, 2013

The Bra-dyssey continues! Bravissimo Alana

Well, it's that time again.  After the Ewa Michalaks didn't quite work out, I said to myself, well, maybe the bras I'd been getting were just stretched out and decided to try ordering a new batch in the same 32G size.

No dice--a couple of minutes on and I was already in a world of pain.  So, it's time to start trying some new brands (and new companies--as much as I like Her Room, their selection above G (UK) is pretty depressing).  Unfortunately, there are not a lot of domestic options, so I turned to a British site I'd heard about--Bravissimo.  They stock a fair amount of bras by Freya and Panache, and they also have their own label.  Also worth noting is the fact that they are significantly cheaper on bra styles that are also carried by online retailers stateside (we're talking $45 for a $70 bra).  So, I took a look and put together an order based on a) what looked pretty b) previous bra fit experiences, c) reviews and d) what my husband liked.

Well, that order came in today, and I was disappointed.  First off, three of the four bras I ordered were apparently unlined (I prefer light padding or at least a lining to keep my nipples from poking out).  I still gave them a shot, though, and our next few posts will be detailing my findings.  Unfortunately for me, none of the ones from this order are going to give me the support I need, so they're all going to go back.  I'll let you know how Bravissimo is about returns as soon as I find out.  On a related note, I tried a couple different styles of their house brand, and a Freya--I skipped Panache altogether because they don't appear to make lined/padded bras at all.


Bravissimo Alana


Once again, photo from the site I ordered from (sorry,I try to limit the number of pictures of my boobs on the internet).

According to Bravissimo, this is one of their best sellers.  And, you must admit, it's cute and sexy with its lacy cup.  I measured myself again, and, after seeing a few reviews that suggested it fit similar to Freya, and looking at my notes, I decided to try it in a 30H (UK).  I went with the turquoise you see here because the hubby liked that one the best.

I was disappointed when I discovered it was unlined (I mean, seriously, do other girls nips not poke out when they get cold?).  I know unlined styles tend to be popular among girls my size--the complaint you see with padded bras is always, "Aren't my boobs big enough already?"  I still went ahead and gave it a try, though, because my old bras are putting me in some serious pain.

Surprisingly, it mostly fit (the cups looked really small when I pulled it out of the box).  However, once I had it on for a little while, I could tell the shoulder straps were doing most of the work (OW!) and the cups were shaped really weird.  The hubby said they were torpedo shaped, but I found them to be oddly flat on top, like the bottom of the cup was lifting me up and in and the top of the cup was pushing them down and out--my nipples were getting aimed almost sideways, and I was poking out the top a little.  
Only slight less lumpy, at least on the left.

It was really bizarre.  I've never had a bra push me up and push me down at the same time.  It was not flattering, and made my boobs look smaller.  Some girls like that sort of effect, but I'm okay with my boobs being right out there--it distracts from my belly fat (even for me) and works well as a distraction.  Of course, I don't get the catcalls other girls say they do, either.  My boobs are one of my best physical features--I got 'em, I'd like to flaunt 'em.  Overall, the shape of the cup was just wrong--my tatas aren't shaped like that.

Also worth noting is the fabric is kinda crappy.  I don't have anything against polyester and man made fibers, but the fabric this one was made out of was not the most pleasant.  It looked okay, but....

Definitely not for me.

Pros:
--affordable
--wide and cheerful color selection (lime green and bright pink, among other colors)

Cons:
--bizarre cup shape
--band runs a little big (a 28 would probably give me sufficient support, but I don't like it enough to try)
--sleazy fabric
minimizes (might be a pro for some)
unlined (might be a pro for some)